Legislature(1997 - 1998)

01/30/1997 03:03 PM House HES

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              HOUSE STANDING COMMITTEE ON HEALTH,                              
                 EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES                                 
                        January 30, 1997                                       
                           3:03 p.m.                                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
 MEMBERS PRESENT                                                               
                                                                               
 Representative Con Bunde, Chairman                                            
 Representative Joe Green, Vice Chairman                                       
 Representative Al Vezey                                                       
 Representative Brian Porter                                                   
 Representative Fred Dyson                                                     
 Representative J. Allen Kemplen                                               
 Representative Tom Brice                                                      
                                                                               
 MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                
                                                                               
 All members present                                                           
                                                                               
 COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                            
                                                                               
 *HOUSE BILL NO. 66                                                            
 "An Act giving notice of and approving the entry into, and the                
 issuance of certificates of participation in, a lease-purchase                
 agreement for a centralized public health laboratory facility."               
                                                                               
      - HEARD AND HELD                                                         
                                                                               
 *HOUSE BILL NO. 54                                                            
 "An Act establishing the Alaska education technology program; and             
 providing for an effective date."                                             
                                                                               
      - HEARD AND HELD                                                         
                                                                               
 (* First public hearing)                                                      
                                                                               
 PREVIOUS ACTION                                                               
                                                                               
 BILL:  HB  66                                                               
 SHORT TITLE: APPROVE CENTRALIZED PUBLIC HEALTH LAB                            
 SPONSOR(S): HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES                               
                                                                               
 JRN-DATE     JRN-DATE             ACTION                                      
 01/15/97        66    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)                 
 01/15/97        66    (H)   HES, FINANCE                                      
 01/30/97              (H)   HES AT  3:00 PM CAPITOL 106                       
                                                                               
 BILL:  HB  54                                                               
 SHORT TITLE: EDUCATION TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM                                     
 SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) KOTT,Grussendorf,Kemplen                        
                                                                               
 JRN-DATE     JRN-DATE             ACTION                                      
 01/13/97        42    (H)   PREFILE RELEASED 1/10/97                          
 01/13/97        42    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)                 
 01/13/97        42    (H)   HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES               
 01/30/97              (H)   HES AT  3:00 PM CAPITOL 106                       
                                                                               
 WITNESS REGISTER                                                              
                                                                               
 GREGORY V. HAYES, DR. P.H, M.P.H., M.S.,C.L.D., Chief                         
 Laboratories                                                                  
 Division of Public Health                                                     
 Department of Health and Social Services                                      
 P.O. Box 110613                                                               
 Juneau, Alaska  99811-0613                                                    
 Telephone:  (907) 465-3019                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 66                            
                                                                               
 DR. MICHAEL PROPST, Medical Examiner                                          
 Division of Public Health                                                     
 Department of Health and Social Services                                      
 5700 East Tudor Road                                                          
 Anchorage, Alaska  99508                                                      
 Telephone:  (907) 269-5090                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified before the committee                           
                                                                               
 FORREST BROWN, Debt Manager                                                   
 Treasury Division                                                             
 Department of Revenue                                                         
 P.O. Box 110405                                                               
 Juneau,  Alaska  99811-0405                                                   
 Telephone:  (907) 465-3750                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 66                                       
                                                                               
 ELMER LINDSTROM, Special Assistant                                            
 Office of the Commissioner                                                    
 Department of Health and Social Services                                      
 P.O. Box 110601                                                               
 Juneau, Alaska  99811-0601                                                    
 Telephone:  (907) 465-3030                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 66                                       
                                                                               
 GEORGE DOZIER, Legislative Aide                                               
          to Representative Kott                                               
 Alaska State Legislature                                                      
 Capitol Building, Room 204                                                    
 Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                         
 Telephone:  (907) 465-3777                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 54                                       
                                                                               
 KAREN JORDON, President                                                       
 Alaska Society for Technology in Education                                    
 Juneau School District, Technology Coordinator                                
 11575 Mendenhall Loop Road                                                    
 Juneau, Alaska  99803                                                         
 Telephone:  (907) 789-1803                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 54                            
                                                                               
 BOB BARTHOLOMEW, Deputy Director                                              
 Income and Excise Audit Division                                              
 Department of Revenue                                                         
 P.O. Box 110420                                                               
 Juneau, Alaska  99811-0420                                                    
 Telephone:  (907) 465-2320                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on CSHB 54(HES)                                
                                                                               
 LARRY WIGET, Director of Government Relations                                 
 Anchorage School District                                                     
 coordinator, Public Affairs                                                   
 4600 Debarr Road                                                              
 Anchorage, Alaska  99519                                                      
 Telephone:  (907) 269-2955                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 54                            
                                                                               
 ACTION NARRATIVE                                                              
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-5, SIDE A                                                             
 Number 0000                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN CON BUNDE called the House Health, Education and Social              
 Services Committee meeting to order at 3:03 p.m.  Members present             
 at the call to order were Representatives Bunde, Vezey, Porter,               
 Dyson, Kemplen and Brice.  Representative Green arrived at 3:07               
 p.m.  This meeting was teleconferenced to Anchorage and Kenai.                
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN BUNDE announced that the agenda included HB 66, Approving            
 a Centralized Public Health Lab and HB 54, Education Technology               
 Program.                                                                      
 HB  66 APPROVE CENTRALIZED PUBLIC HEALTH LAB                                
                                                                               
 Number 0048                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN BUNDE said HB 66 is a reprise of what the committee looked           
 at last year and added that last year's bill did not go through the           
 Senate.  He said HB 66 has been introduced on the House side with             
 a companion bill introduced on the Senate side discussing the need            
 for a centralized public health lab in Anchorage.                             
                                                                               
 GREGORY V. HAYES, DR. P.H, M.P.H., M.S.,C.L.D., Chief, Laboratories           
 Division of Public Health, Department of Health and Social                    
 Services, was first to testify.  He said that he has been in the              
 State of Alaska for three years.  Formerly, he was the Director of            
 the Public Health Laboratories for the State of Indiana.  He                  
 received his doctorate in Public Health Laboratory management                 
 through a cooperative program with the National Centers for Disease           
 Control and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.  Prior           
 to that time, he was a research microbiologist at the Centers for             
 Disease Control.                                                              
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES thanked the committee for this opportunity to address the           
 Department of Health and Social Service's (DHSS) desire to                    
 construct a new consolidated Public Health Laboratory facility.               
 This new facility would be located in Anchorage.  It would include            
 the functions of the Juneau and Anchorage Public Health                       
 Laboratories and the Medical Examiner's Laboratory.  Design and               
 construction costs would be paid through debt financing.  Through             
 the sale of certificates of participation for a lease-purchase of             
 the facility.                                                                 
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said the services of the State Public Health Laboratory             
 are unique and are directed toward prevention and control of                  
 disease in the community and therefore differ from the services of            
 clinical laboratories directed an individual patient care.  The               
 laboratories are focused on communicable disease testing and work             
 in partnership with the National Centers for Disease Control and              
 private laboratories in the state.  Labs fulfill an assessment,               
 policy development and assurance role.  They perform advanced                 
 testing for infectious agents not routinely performed in the                  
 private sector.  Focusing on hard to test for pathogens which are             
 unusual, exotic, rare, and sporadic.                                          
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said the laboratories assist private laboratories in the            
 state with difficulties in identification and confirm unusual                 
 results they obtain.  They are constantly collecting data for                 
 targeted disease control efforts.  The laboratories set-up to apply           
 state of the art technology for the rapid testing of large numbers            
 of specimens in the event of an epidemic and are specialized in               
 disease surveillance and the recognition of new and re-emerging               
 diseases.                                                                     
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said the following are some examples of how the Public              
 Health Laboratory has benefited Alaskan citizens.  In 1991, there             
 was an major epidemic of gastrointestinal illness involving a large           
 seafood processor at Dutch Harbor.  Due to their expertise and                
 ability to rapidly process specimens; the state laboratory was                
 essential in establishing the cause of the outbreak; in both ill              
 individuals and the local water supply which was being used to                
 process king crab.  This allowed appropriate antibiotics to be                
 quickly administered and water supplies to be treated, ensuring the           
 safety and world-wide reputation of Alaska's seafood products.                
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said in May of 1992, there was a widespread outbreak of             
 gastrointestinal illness, affecting tourists visiting Alaska during           
 the height of the tourist season.  Tourists became ill, on cruise             
 ships, bus tours, the Alaska railroad, and in Anchorage and                   
 Fairbanks hotels. The state laboratory was able to tract down the             
 agent causing this outbreak quickly, allowing for rapid treatment             
 of tourists and disinfection.  The state avoided a major disruption           
 of the summer tourist season and huge losses of tourist revenue and           
 good will.                                                                    
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said in 1994, there were widespread outbreaks of                    
 tuberculosis in rural villages.  The investigation required a                 
 comprehensive collaborative effort to assess the presence and                 
 severity of disease and to arrange for appropriate treatment.                 
 Monitoring the status of these outbreaks continues today.                     
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said the ability of the state to control tuberculosis               
 depends on an effective, integrated program that includes a viable            
 State Public Health Laboratory.                                               
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said in June of 1995, a rabid dog exposed 26 people to              
 rabies in Pilot Point.  Due to the expertise of our virologist, it            
 was determined that the rabies virus had not yet reached the                  
 salivary glands of the dog and thereby eliminated much of the fear            
 related to this exposure.  The state laboratory is the only                   
 laboratory in the state which performs very specialized rabies                
 testing.                                                                      
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said the state laboratory provides essential services for           
 disease surveillance, control and prevention, as well as                      
 recognition of new and re-emerging infectious disease agents that             
 threaten the public's health and welfare.  Examples include:                  
 measles, influenzae, diphtheria, hepatitis B, rubella, pertussis,             
 salmonella/shigella, and sexually transmitted diseases including              
 HIV.                                                                          
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said the State Public Health Laboratory is an essential             
 component of the state and national public health system with a               
 different mission than private laboratories.  It provides                     
 scientific and technical information for disease prevention and is            
 Alaska's first line of defense in recognizing and controlling the             
 spread of communicable diseases.  The labs core functions include;            
 support of disease control and prevention programs.  It provides              
 maternal, child, and family health programs.  It also provides                
 environmental health programs and epidemiological programs.                   
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said the laboratories also focus on the development, of             
 methods for testing when those methods are not readily available,             
 and transfer this technology to the private sector.  They perform             
 diagnostic product evaluations, data collection, testing of high              
 quality at a reasonable cost.  The laboratories also provide:                 
 training, laboratory expertise and reference services to the                  
 private laboratory community in the diagnosis of diseases of public           
 health significance.                                                          
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said the laboratories provide for a national surveillance           
 link.  These functions are very different from the role of a                  
 private clinical laboratory.  He questioned whether the State's               
 Public Health Laboratory should be privatized and said even the               
 most ardent supporters of government privatization are reluctant to           
 argue for privatizing the public health laboratory function.  All             
 50 states and U.S. territories have public health laboratories and            
 none have been privatized.  This is because the services they                 
 provide are inherently public.  They do not merely perform tests              
 and provide results to health care providers as private labs do,              
 but are an essential component of public health policy                        
 determination.                                                                
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said the following criteria are commonly used by state              
 governments to determine whether privatization is appropriate.                
 He said you do not privatize if the service provided is a core                
 function of government such as policy making.  Policy development             
 is a core function of the State Public Laboratory.  He said you do            
 not privatize if tasks are uncertain and prone to revision.  This             
 is certainly the situation with an outbreak or an epidemic.  You do           
 not privatize if the value of output is hard to measure and said              
 the value of emergency preparedness is very hard to measure.                  
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said you do not privatize if the government provider is             
 the most knowledgeable about accomplishing the task, and the                  
 transfer of such expertise would be difficult.  He said that the              
 Public Health Laboratory staff are specifically trained for                   
 participating in public health investigations and have many years             
 of experience.  He said you do not privatize if the process is as             
 important as the result.  The state laboratory staff works rapidly            
 and closely with the state's epidemiologist during investigations             
 from the initial point of determining what needs to be sampled; how           
 the samples are to be obtained; and how the samples are to be                 
 tested; frequently changing protocols and modifying algorithms as             
 the situation requires.  Samples are not just dropped off to be               
 tested as is the case in a private laboratory.  Public health                 
 laboratories go well beyond what one could expect a private                   
 contractor to do and staff are specifically trained for public                
 health investigations.                                                        
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said a further test is to look at criteria in favor of              
 privatization.  He said you privatize if specific performance                 
 expectations can be set forth.  If results are more important than            
 the process.  If outputs are easy to measure.  If problem providers           
 can be readily replaced.  If activity is short-term or intermittent           
 in nature.  If the private sector has specialized expertise or                
 skills that give operational efficiency and effectiveness.  Or if             
 the activity has been successfully privatized in other states.                
 None of these criteria fit the State Public Health Laboratory.                
 Once we understand that policy making and epidemiological functions           
 are a core responsibility of public health laboratories.                      
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said if testing were privatized multiple contracts would            
 be necessary since no one laboratory performs all types of testing            
 currently performed at the State Public Health Laboratory and for             
 many tests no private laboratory is available.  It also needs to be           
 noted that from conversations with private providers, the few tests           
 which they could perform, would simply be added to their current              
 workload that is already being sent out-of-state.                             
                                                                               
 Number 0927                                                                   
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES asked why is a new laboratory was necessary.  Two of our            
 facilities are in urgent need of repair, having mechanical and                
 structural inadequacies for conducting laboratory testing.  The               
 laboratories are in leased space, have poor facility layouts, and             
 space limitations for future growth.  Our Juneau and Anchorage                
 laboratories were constructed as office space and currently have              
 major health and safety concerns such as inadequate ventilation               
 systems for working with infectious organisms and inadequate                  
 electrical wiring.                                                            
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said that in 1990, the Anchorage Laboratory almost burned           
 down due to faulty wiring and one staff person contracted                     
 tuberculosis thought to be due to the totally inadequate air                  
 handling system.  The heating system in our Anchorage facility has            
 failed twice since November and because many tests have temperature           
 requirements, no testing could be performed during these heating              
 failures.  Also, the pipes in our TB laboratory burst in December             
 flooding the highly infectious contained area where TB testing is             
 performed.                                                                    
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said, additionally, a permanent home must be found for              
 the Medical Examiner.  Currently this program is occupying                    
 temporary space at the Department of Public Safety's Crime                    
 Detection Laboratory.  The crime laboratory needs this space to               
 develop a much needed DNA analysis laboratory.                                
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said construction of a new facility would save the state            
 money.  An unrecoverable investment would be necessary to repair              
 our current facilities and consultants have told us that even then            
 they could not bring these facilities up to code.  A new facility             
 would maintain an essential public service more cheaply and more              
 efficiently.  There would no longer be the need for duplication of            
 activities at multiple locations.                                             
                                                                               
 Number 0880                                                                   
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said new advances in technology such as DNA testing,                
 newly emergent diseases and federal regulations for conducting                
 infectious disease testing require a safe, well-designed,                     
 adaptable, and modern facility.  We need a new facility to see us             
 through the 21st century.  He asked what problems a new facility              
 would solve.  The problem of fragmentation of services and reduced            
 efficiency.  The problem of leased and temporary space. The problem           
 that our facilities are not designed for current operations.  The             
 problem that significant capital investment would be required to              
 fix and maintain our current facilities, and they still would not             
 meet code.  And simply that the state does not need, nor can it               
 afford four separate laboratories.  One Lab in Juneau, two Labs in            
 Anchorage and one Lab in Fairbanks.                                           
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said existing laboratory conditions in the Anchorage and            
 Juneau Laboratories are inadequate, unsafe  and in major need of              
 repair to leased space.  The Medical Examiner is occupying borrowed           
 space and Public Safety needs this space.  Our Fairbanks laboratory           
 is also in leased space, which is old and inflexible, but it was              
 designed as a laboratory and it is currently safe.                            
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said the Department of Health and Social Services has a             
 long history of analyzing the problems.  We know what the problem             
 are and we know how to solve them.  We have studied the problems              
 extensively and we gave taken a good government approach by                   
 engaging in long range planning, analyzing needs and reviewing all            
 alternatives and have developed a comprehensive workable solution.            
                                                                               
 Number 0978                                                                   
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said there have been fourteen separate studies since 1985           
 regarding how to correct problems, and how to position the States             
 Laboratories for the future.  The conclusion of these studies                 
 strongly supports the construction of a new laboratory facility.              
 Solving the problem of inadequate Public Health Labs in Juneau and            
 Anchorage.  Solving the problem of permanent housing for the                  
 Medical Examiner, increasing operational efficiency and saving                
 operating costs.  We can't afford four separate laboratories.  We             
 don't need four separate laboratories and we must find a permanent            
 home for the Medical Examiner.                                                
                                                                               
 Number 0978                                                                   
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said last year HB 529 was on the Senate calendar the last           
 night of the legislative session.  Unfortunately, the legislature             
 adjourned prior to taking a vote.  This bill combined the Anchorage           
 and Juneau Public Health Laboratories with the Medical Examiner's             
 program in a newly constructed facility.  The Fairbanks laboratory            
 was to remain operating.                                                      
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said in the first year a new laboratory is occupied it              
 would save the state approximately $293 thousand dollars.  It would           
 save the Department of Health and Social Services close to $218               
 thousand in personnel and lease costs; and save the Department of             
 Administration $75 thousand in lease costs.                                   
                                                                               
 Number 1031                                                                   
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said the cost of the new facility is estimated to be                
 $18,440,000.  Annual payments would be approximately $2,420,000 for           
 ten years, with a total estimated Debt of $24,130,000.  He said               
 this is somewhat over the proposal last year, but costs from last             
 year's proposal have been adjusted for inflation and the assumption           
 of Coroner responsibilities by the Medical Examiner's program.                
                                                                               
 Number 1055                                                                   
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said it is critical that the Medical Examiner's                     
 laboratory be near Public Safety's Crime Detection Laboratory due             
 to their close interaction and cooperation.  Therefore several                
 alternatives  for state-owned land are being considered immediately           
 adjacent to the Crime lab.  He requested the committee's support              
 for this very important project.                                              
                                                                               
 Number 1080                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JOE GREEN said last year's bill did not include                
 combining the Fairbanks laboratory with the Anchorage and Juneau.             
                                                                               
 Number 1110                                                                   
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said the original bill was for a centralized laboratory,            
 that is the version that made it out of the House.  The bill was              
 modified in the Senate.                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 1123                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN BUNDE said HB 66 is a compromise bill.                               
                                                                               
 Number 1131                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE TOM BRICE asked if the site for the State Public               
 Health Laboratory was going to be on the Division of Motor Vehicles           
 or on the Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                  
 (DOT/PF) site.                                                                
                                                                               
 Number 1157                                                                   
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said the site they prefer is the one listed as DOT/PF               
 because it is closer to the crime lab.  He said the medical                   
 examiner is in daily interaction with the crime lab.  He referred             
 to Slide 26 of the handout supplied to the committee members.                 
                                                                               
 Number 1175                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BRICE asked how many medical examiners would be                
 brought into the new facility.                                                
                                                                               
 Number 1199                                                                   
                                                                               
 DR. MICHAEL PROPST, Medical Examiner, Division of Public Health,              
 Department of Health and Social Services, testified via                       
 teleconference from Anchorage.  He said in the Medical Examiner's             
 office the two forensic pathologist include himself and his deputy,           
 Dr. Norman Thompson.  He said an additional staff of eight people             
 are also located in the office.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 1234                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BRICE asked how many procedures are performed per              
 year.                                                                         
                                                                               
 MR. PROPST said his office does approximately 500 hundred to 600              
 hundred procedures per year where the pathologist is involved in              
 putting hands and eyes on a deceased remain.                                  
                                                                               
 Number 1284                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE AL VEZEY referred to the tables under the Department           
 of Revenue fiscal note.  He said on page two there is a current               
 interest rate table and on page three there is a current rate plus            
 75bp.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 1299                                                                   
                                                                               
 FORREST BROWN, Debt Manager, Treasury Division, Department of                 
 Revenue (DOR), said DOR ran the debt service schedules at current             
 interest rates which translates to a true interest cost over the              
 ten years of a 4.9 percent tax-exempt financing.  He said because             
 interest rates are quite volatile, every day they bounce around.              
 This has been increasingly so in the last year or so.  He clarified           
 that bp means basis points.  He said to test the sensitivity of               
 what would happen if there was an increase in interest rates,                 
 three-quarters of a point higher, DOR ran the same number and then            
 came up with the higher debt service.  In that instance the debt              
 service would exceed slightly the amount listed in HB 66.  If that            
 was the amount authorized, then the financing would have to be cut            
 back by approximately $400,000.  He said DOR is calling this                  
 information to the laboratory people to tell them that they run               
 some risk of interest rates going against them in this period, in             
 which case they might not have all the funds they need.                       
                                                                               
 Number 1382                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN BUNDE asked whether, cumulatively speaking, Dr. Hayes                
 mentioned the amounts that would be saved came to close to half a             
 million dollars per year; $200,000 in one department, $200,000 in             
 another and then $75,000 in another.                                          
                                                                               
 Number 1403                                                                   
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said it was $293,000 a year in personnel savings and                
 lease costs.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 1406                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN BUNDE asked if he had taken the total and had broken it              
 down into three components.                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 1418                                                                   
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said it was $293,000 total savings in terms of lease cost           
 and personnel; $218,000 from DHSS and $75,000 from Department of              
 Administration which pays one of the leases.                                  
                                                                               
 Number 1428                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BRIAN PORTER asked Mr. Brown, from his experience,             
 whether this proposal was a little bit risky to add a limitation              
 that wouldn't provide for an interest rate increase.                          
                                                                               
 Number 1447                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. BROWN said that no one can forecast what interest rates are               
 going to be.  He said he would feel more comfortable, as their de             
 facto financing partner, if he had a little more flexibility.  He             
 said when DOR is going to go out and bid this financing he expects            
 a good reception from Wall Street.  If the rates are truly higher             
 than they are now, it could force a difficult decision on the                 
 operating people.  He said if they go forward with the project and            
 scale it back they might need to go back in a year for a supplement           
 or do they postpone it.                                                       
                                                                               
 MR. BROWN said, if he had a preference, he would have a little more           
 flexibility to meet whatever the market is.  In other words by                
 financing this amount and certainly putting a ceiling on the amount           
 that could be spent on the project is appropriate, but it should              
 also recognize that interest rates are very volatile and could go             
 the other way.  He said DOR could end up with a 4 percent effective           
 cost to capital in which case you might spend $2.1 million a year             
 instead of $2.4 million.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 1489                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER said in reading this, it says the anticipated           
 total construction and other costs are not to exceed $18,440,000.             
 "The total anticipated annual amount of rental is and the total               
 anticipated lease payments for the full term total up to be...I               
 guess to give that the best light interpretation, I think it                  
 implies that you could adjust the rate, but the total cost of the             
 project would be $18.4 million."                                              
                                                                               
 Number 1514                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. BROWN said because a legislative requirement states that when             
 DOR comes in and provides numbers before getting legislative                  
 approval on any real estate lease financing.  He said DOR indicates           
 these three numbers; the total amount of the financing, the total             
 anticipated amount of the annual payments and the total amount of             
 payment over the term of the loan.  The bond counsel is consulted             
 and has to give an opinion on the tax exempt nature of these bonds            
 when DOR floats them.  He said the counsel has looked at this                 
 legislation in the past as being a maximum, that they would not be            
 comfortable with certifying that DOR followed the law and that the            
 bonds were tax exempt without DOR staying at or under the amount              
 specified here.  So, even though it reads anticipated, the legal              
 folks have taken a narrower interpretation of that amount and so              
 DOR has taken that direction and become conservative in their                 
 approach.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 1555                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY said DOR did a calculation based on current              
 interest rates which were 4.9 percent on tax exempt.                          
                                                                               
 Number 1567                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. BROWN said DOR did this a couple of days ago and went to each             
 year of the maturity.  In this type of financing, in a ten year               
 financing you issue serials, ten different maturities.  He said DOR           
 looked at a single A credit of comparable deals that were offered             
 that particular day and priced it on that basis.  He said on the              
 day DOR did it, the best estimate was that the payments would be              
 what is shown on that schedule and that the overall true interests            
 are, when you discount that back and you meld in the varying                  
 maturities and the various interest rates for each of those serial            
 maturities, it would be 4.92 percent.  He said DOR did the same               
 thing if interest rates had gone up 75 basis points to 5.67 percent           
 overall and carefully worked that assumption in to each of those              
 ten maturities to determine that it would be somewhat over the                
 anticipated amount.  It is not a way of forecasting what is going             
 to happen, but DOR wanted to indicate that there was some risk of             
 interest rates with the current language of HB 66.                            
                                                                               
 Number 1625                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY asked him when they were thinking of doing               
 this.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 1629                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. BROWN said DOR, assuming that HB 66 was approved, would go to             
 work on the financing and would issue the certificates of                     
 participation, delivering them on February 1, 1998.  He clarified             
 that DOR was forecasting a year ahead of time.                                
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY asked if we have seen three-quarters of a                
 percent fluctuation in interest rates in the past year.                       
 Number 1651                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. BROWN said in December of 1995, the interest rate "would have             
 been around 440 and we have been as high, last summer, as 525, 530            
 on a ten year.  So, that's a fluctuation of 60 to 70 basis points             
 just in the past year.  So, it's partially on that basis that we              
 selected 75 basis points as the one to test the sensitivity,                  
 figuring that if it happened in the past year it well could happen            
 again.  We have no way of knowing, from time to time the fed                  
 tightens things up and the overall level of interest rates goes up.           
 And even though the tax exempt rates are about 80 percent of what             
 the taxable rates are they still follow very, very closely."                  
                                                                               
 Number 1690                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BRICE asked Dr. Hayes for clarification of the                 
 inclusion of the coroner duties with the medical examiner's office.           
                                                                               
 Number 1713                                                                   
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said the coroner's responsibilities is a new program for            
 the medical examiner program.                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 1720                                                                   
                                                                               
 DR. PROPST said HB 520 which passed in the last session, becoming             
 effective on September 23, 1996, eliminated the Office of Coroner             
 statewide.  He said the medical examiner's office took many of the            
 responsibilities for accepting and reporting of sudden and                    
 unexpected deaths.                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 1743                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY asked if HB 66 was included in the Governor's            
 Budget Proposal to the legislature which was given in mid-December.           
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said he did not believe so.                                         
                                                                               
 Number 1824                                                                   
                                                                               
 ELMER LINDSTROM, Special Assistant, Office of the Commissioner,               
 Department of Health and Social Services, was next to testify.  He            
 said there would be no impact on the fiscal year 1998 budget, the             
 first payment would appear in fiscal year 1999 and would appear in            
 the front section of the operating budget along with similar such             
 debt service items.  The project is figured into Office of                    
 Management and Budget's (OMB) six year capital plan and, likewise,            
 it has been figured into the Administration's assumptions and plans           
 for fiscal year 1999.                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 1802                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER referred to the language as addressed the               
 three numbers; the cost and the interest, total payments and the              
 total costs and said if there is any concern whether it might not             
 be appropriate and asked if they would entertain something that               
 would make it appropriate.                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. LINDSTROM said they would be prepared to discuss that on                  
 Tuesday.                                                                      
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN BUNDE said in the perusal of the information that if                 
 questions came up the committee members should contact Mr.                    
 Lindstrom so that he could answer them on Tuesday.                            
                                                                               
 Number 1843                                                                   
                                                                               
 DR. HAYES said the handout, located in the committee file, follows            
 the slides that his office was going to show.  He said his                    
 presentation followed each slide.                                             
 HB  54 EDUCATION TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM                                         
                                                                               
 Number 1896                                                                   
                                                                               
 GEORGE DOZIER, Legislative Aide to Representative Kott, the sponsor           
 of HB 54 testified before the committee.  He said the bill creates            
 an education technology program and fund.  He said it is                      
 Representative Kott's position that the world economy is rapidly              
 evolving, evolving of one being manufacturing based to one of                 
 increased technological change and information management.  Alaska            
 is part of the world economy, we are not a separate enclave.  What            
 happens in the rest of the world directly affects us and we must              
 compete with other components of the world economy.                           
                                                                               
 MR. DOZIER said, to be competitive, Alaska must be more                       
 sophisticated in the use of technology and that it requires                   
 education.  Alaska has always had a strong commitment to providing            
 education and, as the economy evolves, we must increasingly                   
 emphasize education technology.  We haven't done so heretofore, we            
 must do more and as the pace of economic evolution increases we               
 must increase our emphasis in this field.                                     
                                                                               
 MR. DOZIER said HB 54 is a start in that direction.  It creates the           
 Education Technology Fund in the Department of Education (DOE), it            
 provides a mechanism for channeling grant money to various schools            
 and libraries, provides a mechanism to create access to various               
 computer networks and also provides a mechanism for training                  
 educators and librarians in the use of this technology.  He said HB
 54 is not an appropriation bill.  It does provide that the                    
 legislature may appropriate money into the fund but it does not               
 actually make that appropriation.  It envisions public and private            
 donations to the fund.                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 1992                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. DOZIER said, regarding this fund source, Representative Kott              
 submitted a proposed committee substitute which was drafted in                
 blank which he urged upon the committee.  He said the proposed                
 committee substitute doesn't change HB 54 except that it creates a            
 tax deduction.  He said Alaska corporations are paying Alaskan                
 income tax.  Money that would be donated into the Education                   
 Technology Fund would create a deduction for that taxpayer.  It is            
 believed that it would encourage donations to that fund.                      
                                                                               
 MR. DOZIER said it is common knowledge that many Alaskans are not             
 prepared to deal with rapid technological changes and                         
 Representative Kott feels strongly that we must do something about            
 this or Alaska will be left in the dust.  He said HB 54 is a step             
 in that direction and Representative Kott recommends this bill to             
 the committee.                                                                
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY questioned why we need HB 54 as it doesn't               
 seem to do anything that we can't do under existing law.                      
                                                                               
 Number 2047                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. DOZIER said HB 54 creates a centralized authority that would be           
 able to develop expertise in this area to provide guidance to the             
 various entities it would service.                                            
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY said, unless there is something here that he             
 did not know, we do not need a law to that as we can do this under            
 existing law.                                                                 
                                                                               
 MR. DOZIER said HB 54 provides an encouragement to donate money to            
 this fund.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 2088                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN BUNDE asked what the impact the proposed committee                   
 substitute would have on the general fund.                                    
                                                                               
 Number 2094                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. DOZIER said he did not have information regarding that issue.             
 He pointed out that it is not a tax credit, but a tax deduction.              
 He did not envision that tax payers would be paying money into the            
 fund in lieu of the general fund.                                             
                                                                               
 Number 2116                                                                   
                                                                               
 KAREN JORDON, President, Alaska Society for Technology in                     
 Education, Technology Coordinator for the Juneau School District,             
 was next to testify.  She said over the last four years, Juneau has           
 passed two bond initiatives to provide $6 million for eight schools           
 and 5,500 students.  She said technology is not a frill, it is a              
 necessity.  It is not merely a nice thing to do or something we do            
 when we have some extra money to throw at a special pet project.              
 Technology is now a complete and total necessity for every                    
 graduating senior.                                                            
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON said she has appeared the last seven years before the              
 committee to testify for an educational technology bill.  She said            
 HB 54, in different forms, has been on the table for about seven              
 years and several times the question has come up that it can be               
 done without a bill.  She said the answer is that it wouldn't be              
 done without legislation.  Money is not being put towards                     
 technology and added that the mechanism towards technology is not             
 being put forward int the state.  She said when basic clerical                
 staff are hired in offices, it is expected that they have a high              
 level of technology skills.  Degrees or special training are not              
 being sought, it is expected that high school graduates have enough           
 technology skills to be able to come into offices and use the                 
 computers that are available.                                                 
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-5, SIDE B                                                             
 Number 0000                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON said HB 54 is also about equal access to educational               
 opportunity.  In Juneau, voters have approved technology funding              
 for all of their schools, Anchorage has not, and                              
 several rural areas are not able to pass bonds or not able to bond            
 their constituents to fund technology.  She said it does not mean             
 that we should then fund technology at different levels throughout            
 the state.                                                                    
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON said HB 54 sets up a fund.  She said money would                   
 available through federal grants and through donations such as the            
 recent donation from BP (Alaska) Inc.  This money would be                    
 coordinated through this fund.  There are three things which have             
 to happen statewide; network all of the schools, provide better               
 telecommunications to rural areas and buy computers and software              
 for student use.  She said these three issues are not simple and              
 are somewhat expense.  It also takes a degree of technological                
 knowledge that is not readily available in every school in the                
 state which includes Anchorage as well as bush communities.                   
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON said, during the past Congressional session, $200                  
 million of federal money was put into a federal technology literacy           
 challenge fund and states can apply for that money.  She said the             
 biggest hole in Alaska's application is that the state has no                 
 mechanism for funding technology statewide and many other states              
 do.  She said when the application question arises of how the state           
 is currently funding technology the answer is that we really aren't           
 doing it or it is funded by districts who are able to come up with            
 the money in their limited operations funds.                                  
                                                                               
 Number 0094                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON said there is a need for centralized help.  She said she           
 is not normally a proponent of centralized administration, but in             
 this instance she is.  She said she gets calls from all over the              
 state looking for information on how they go about networking their           
 school or what kinds of things they should look at in implementing            
 a technology program.  She said this is an area that needs a                  
 clearing house for information, a central place for assistance.               
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON said, as the legislature goes through the budget cutting           
 and takes a careful look at how to prepare this state for the                 
 future, funding technology should be considered so that students in           
 Alaska are prepared to support themselves.  She suggested that HB
 54 will help the state build the capacity for economic development,           
 it will help people find jobs wherever they live in the state.                
                                                                               
 Number 0184                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked her how the determination would be made            
 as to how much of the grants went to what schools when all the                
 schools were requesting the latest computer technology.                       
                                                                               
 Number 0223                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON said there would be two initial steps; organizing                  
 materials in a clearinghouse of information which can be                      
 distributed to all of the sites and going after money for the fund.           
 She said there is no appropriation for this fund, it is a zero fund           
 at this point.  The fund would seek out federal grants, Alaska                
 Scientists and Technology grants and money from BP, ARCO, Exxon or            
 whoever wants to fund technology in the state.  After that as it is           
 anytime you organize and administer any large project,                        
 determinations would have to be made on a needs basis, a capacity             
 basis and said there are some places that are further along in                
 their readiness.  She said there are community people who have                
 thought through how they would implement technology.                          
                                                                               
 Number 0287                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN said a couple of people would be established             
 to look for funding and asked if there would be more incentive if             
 the salaries were paid by the funds they collect.  He said this               
 could be done rather than establishing an organization which may or           
 may not get something.  He said it seemed to him that if the staff            
 was self supporting, they might have more of an impetus to seek               
 funds.                                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 0323                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON said it makes sense, but you have a start up costs.  You           
 cannot start a program with no people.  She said she would support            
 at least an initial year of funding and out years it could be                 
 funded by the fund itself.                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 0341                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN said the fiscal note shows a six year funding            
 mechanism on the general fund.  He asked if HB 54 needed to be re-            
 drafted to eliminate this funding.                                            
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON said to start the fund you would have to provide money             
 for staff.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 0375                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked if the first year couldn't be started              
 with existing people.                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 0395                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON said the DOE had a person that was paid for through Star           
 Schools or some other grants, but that person was lost.  She said             
 DOE does not have anyone dealing with technology.                             
                                                                               
 Number 0394                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE FRED DYSON asked how many students homes have                  
 computers.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 0410                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON said she thought it was one-third and growing.                     
                                                                               
 Number 0417                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE DYSON asked if she felt the kids would independently           
 pick up a level of proficiency without being in a formal class.               
                                                                               
 Number 0425                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON said some kids will pick up a level of proficiency.  She           
 said this fund not only talks about technology, so that students              
 can sit down and someone can teach them to use the technology.  She           
 said kids pick up technology fairly quickly, but we are talking               
 about technology for kids to use as tools throughout their daily              
 work.  She said, in Juneau, the quality of student work and                   
 products skyrocket as kids have access to technology tools, the               
 internet, CDs and data bases that are in the schools now.  She said           
 Anchorage and other places are not able to do that.  She said a               
 system and a quantity of money is needed to set up this fund.                 
                                                                               
 Number 0485                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN BUNDE said the people in the Anchorage community decided             
 that they did not want to invest, perhaps almost blindly, in funds            
 for technology.  He said just because you build it does not mean              
 they will come.                                                               
                                                                               
 Number 0511                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE DYSON asked, "would it be fair to infer with what              
 you said that kids that, children who learn on their own don't tend           
 to have such a dramatic impact on their scholastic performance as             
 those kids that learn in a more structured situation, or has more             
 geared applications."                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 0540                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON clarified that he was asking where would technology have           
 more of an impact on academic performance and said she thought it             
 would be both.  She said it approves student's academic performance           
 when they are able to use technology tools as it is a whole other             
 media for teaching all students.  When we talk about the amount of            
 jobs that are basic entry level, non-skilled work, she said the               
 state has to reach far more kids than are currently reached through           
 basic text based resources.                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 0569                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE DYSON said we used to be able to correlate how a               
 child performed academically based on whether or not the child came           
 from a home where the parents were readers and there was a library            
 in the home.  He asked if there are segments of the Alaska                    
 population that have a disproportionate need for help in getting on           
 board with technology.                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 0604                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON said you could say that.  In Juneau to address the fact            
 that some kids have access to technology at home so that they can             
 continue their work outside of school, the city looked at community           
 access points; public libraries, community centers, housing                   
 projects and other places where students could go in other hours              
 and get access to technology tools.  She said in rural areas the              
 school is a public access point and has longer hours than some of             
 the more urban schools.                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 0641                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE DYSON asked her if she would extrapolate that the              
 resources from this program might be more utilized in rural areas.            
                                                                               
 Number 0654                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON said she would not say that because the same condition             
 exists in Anchorage as exists in some rural areas.  She said                  
 Wendler Junior High has 15 computers for 1,200 students.  She said            
 Juneau has a four or five to one ratio.                                       
                                                                               
 Number 0676                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN BUNDE said, if he could correctly quote what he read, that           
 every high school student in Galena has a power notebook.                     
                                                                               
 Number 0714                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN BUNDE said it was the chair's intention to form a                    
 subcommittee to look into the impact on the general fund by the               
 proposed committee substitute.                                                
                                                                               
 Number 0742                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER made a motion to adopt the proposed committee           
 substitute for HB 54, Version B.  Hearing no objection CHAIRMAN               
 BUNDE announced that the committee had adopted CSHB 54(HES).                  
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER said he would be interested to see what the             
 impact on the general fund would be from the DOR.  He said he would           
 like someone from the DOR or DOE to tell the committee precisely              
 why they can't perform these services using existing personnel.               
                                                                               
 Number 0787                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY asked if CSHB 54(HES) creates a fund, within             
 the DOE, administered by the DOE which means that the Commissioner            
 of Education is the trustee of the fund.                                      
                                                                               
 Number 0825                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON said she believed the fund would be in the DOR.                    
                                                                               
 Number 0815                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY said CSHB 54(HES) creates in Title 14, the               
 education statute, a fund in DOE.                                             
                                                                               
 Number 0825                                                                   
                                                                               
 BOB BARTHOLOMEW, Deputy Director, Income and Excise Audit Division,           
 Department of Revenue, was next to testify.  He said CSHB 54(HES)             
 sets up the fund within DOE and thus they would be the overseer of            
 how it is implemented on the programmatic side.  The role of DOR              
 would be limited to the investment of the funds.                              
                                                                               
 Number 0846                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY clarified that the dispersement of the fund              
 would be up to the DOE.  He said this would again create a                    
 centralized pool within the DOE with the whole state arguing over             
 how to disperse it.                                                           
                                                                               
 Number 0863                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE J. ALLEN KEMPLEN asked if CSHB 54(HES) would serve             
 as an incentive for local initiatives to develop and acquire                  
 computers and educational technology.                                         
                                                                               
 Number 0883                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON said she did not know if CSHB 54(HES) includes this                
 provision.  She said former versions of this bill used to have a              
 match set up and then it would act as an incentive.  She said it              
 would be an incredible incentive to get people organized, have a              
 plan in place and have figured out what their technology support              
 and their training should be, etc.  She said it would be a very big           
 incentive.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 0935                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE KEMPLEN asked if the fund would also serve as a                
 vehicle for private sector contributions from corporations in the             
 state.                                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 0935                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. JORDON said yes, and added that it would be a vehicle for                 
 contributions even without the tax deduction portion of CSHB
 54(HES).  She said the tax deduction would be a substantial                   
 incentive for corporations to choose this as a donation point.                
                                                                               
 Number 0962                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER asked if it was customary, that the cost for            
 DOR to administer a new fund, to come out of the fund itself rather           
 than needing a new fiscal note.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 0970                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. BARTHOLOMEW said he was correct and the fiscal note from the              
 Treasury Division is now zero because there is no money in the                
 fund.  He said the division states in the fiscal note that they               
 would use the fund itself as a funding source, but there are some             
 upfront costs that are charged to DOR as soon as the fund or                  
 account is set up.  He said if, at that point, there was no money             
 available money could be advanced with the idea that there would be           
 contributions coming in.  He said this would be a safe bet                    
 because...                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER asked if there was a fiscal note from DOR.              
 MR. BARTHOLOMEW said there should be a fiscal note from the DOR.              
 He said that fiscal note addresses the Treasury Division's                    
 investment cost and added that the CSHB 54(HES) version would                 
 require a new fiscal note.                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 1025                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN BUNDE said a subcommittee could look at some of these                
 questions including the general fund impact as a result of the tax            
 deduction and the idea that if the fund could be operated on soft             
 money so that whoever was administering the fund would have to                
 raise money to pay their own way.  He asked Representatives Kemplen           
 and Vezey to serve on the subcommittee and Representative Green to            
 serve as chair.  He asked the subcommittee to report back to the              
 committee a week from Tuesday, February 11, 1997.                             
                                                                               
 Number 1088                                                                   
                                                                               
 LARRY WIGET, Director of Government Relations, Anchorage School               
 District, and coordinator of (indiscernible) and previous to that             
 he was the coordinator of the library program (indiscernible)                 
 technology for the Anchorage District, testified via teleconference           
 from Anchorage.  He said the Anchorage School District supports the           
 passage of HB 54 and said they have been working for several years            
 to meet the needs of getting technology to their students and to              
 students around the state.  He said the needs are greater now than            
 ever before and they can not be met through the state district                
 budgets.  For example, the entire Anchorage School District                   
 instructional technology budget, with a projected 48,000 students             
 for next year, is about $33,000 or about 70 cents per student.  He            
 said instructional technology and getting this technology into the            
 hands of teachers and student is a priority of the district.                  
                                                                               
                                                                               
 MR. WIDGET said they have a technology commission which will be               
 looking at developing and further refining the district's                     
 technology.  He said given the cost of technology and the budget              
 constraints the district is unable to fund that money.                        
                                                                               
 MR. WIGET said CSHB 54(HES) will establish an endowment fund, it              
 will not meet instructional technology needs.  It will lay the                
 foundation for teacher monies to be set aside for technology needs            
 statewide.  It recognizes the importance of technology to the                 
 future of Alaska and it recognizes that the local community                   
 technology increases by the use of a matching grant.  He asked the            
 committee to pass HB 54.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 1184                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN BUNDE added that the subcommittee examine what the local             
 match should be and if that was advisable.                                    
 ADJOURNMENT                                                                   
                                                                               
 There being no further business to conduct, CHAIRMAN BUNDE                    
 adjourned the meeting of the House Health, Education and Social               
 Services Standing Committee at 4:10 p.m.                                      
                                                                               

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